Electronic Arts, the publisher everyone loves to hate, isn't doing itself many favours among already-jaded onlookers. The company's CEO, Andrew Wilson, has already talked about implementing generative AI into its development processes, but that same earnings call saw him discuss another contentious idea: in-game ads.
Asked directly about the opportunity to implement advertising in games, Wilson says it's an area that could be a "meaningful driver of growth" for EA. While discussions around this subject are "still early", Wilson says it'll be "very thoughtful" as they move into it. EA has "teams internally in the company right now looking at how do we do very thoughtful implementations inside of our game experiences," he says.
The idea of in-game advertising isn't exactly a new one; there have been many examples of products or companies appearing inside video games. In fact, it was fairly common in the 90s, and even some entire games were essentially glorified adverts for major brands. While that fell away as games grew more complex, the idea of in-game ads these days is probably quite different — probably more in-line with ads popping up or playing while you're enjoying a mobile game. That's just speculation from us, but we imagine the implementation could be pretty blunt.
Elsewhere, Wilson has bigged up the next Battlefield, saying it's being made by its biggest ever team and that he "couldn't be more excited" about this next instalment.
[source s22.q4cdn.com, via eurogamer.net]
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Depends entirely on how its done.
FIFA has in game ads, Death Stranding had Monster Energy or some other drink.
If its purely a passing advert then it’s likely not that big a deal but given its EA, it’ll probably be intrusive as hell
I think there might come a time when I just play retro games going forward. Modern gaming is so cynical sometimes it's exhausting
Console games having pop-up ads akin to mobile games sounds like a horrible idea. I don’t mind advertising that’s included in the flow of the game though. If it helps keep costs down then I don’t mind having my protagonist casually drinking a Coca-Cola or driving by a billboard with an AT&T ad, or something like that. As long as it’s not intrusive, then I can live with it. I prefer if the product placement isn’t too overt though to pull unwarranted attention to the product. Like the energy drink and the AMC Norman Reedus’s TV show in Death Stranding. Although that was tongue-in-cheek so didn’t bother me as much. 😅
They need to do what Marvel did, make every game an advertisement for the next game. EA makes no games at this point anyway so no skin off any self respecting gamers back.
Advertising in the background, such as product placement and advertising boards I can tolerate. Anything intrusive, part of the gameplay, interactive or unable to be ignored with or without requiring an action can suck my balls.
The only way I'd be OK with 'Ads' in games is if they were going for a Realistic look with real branded items - similar to how Car Racing games have their branded vehicle models.It may not seem like advertising, but they are 'advertising' their brand, logo and models.
In other words, if you have a City, you'd see realistic adverts on billboards as you drive around. Instead of seeing 'Burger Queen' or 'McDougals', you get Burger King and McDonalds.
I don't want to have to watch a 30s Advert for Coca-Cola or a world where the only drink is Pepsi and that Logo is EVERYWHERE. However, I can see this being more the case - unfortunately...
A racing game having billboards with ads on them would be tolerable, that's basically what you'd expect when driving around the real world anyway. But EA being EA they're obviously looking at avenues that are much more intrusive and annoying than that.
Imagine fighting Malenia in Elden Ring, and suddenly a banner "drink coca-cola" appears in the middle of the screen ... What a great idea.
A thoughtful implementation would be none at all.
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Honestly, if you need any more proof that 90 percent of people are idiots, look no further than this ultimate team garbage. Paying real money, for digital goods, nothing is dumber than that. EA sports games, which are the entire company, barely get better, but still print money. All their single player games are just for the hell of it and I am not surprised they want to put ads in them.
Calorie Mate in Metal Gear Solid 3 or Monster Energy in Death Stranding are fantastic examples of how to pull this off properly. There is nothing wrong with tastefully done, well executed advertising.
The ISSUE is if we start to get pop-ups or even commercial breaks disguised as loading screens. I am 99% certain that there will be a sneaky test case very soon, and if we as gamers do not push back hard, it'll very quickly become the norm.
Andrew Wilson was the absolute worst person to take over EA from a consumer perspective.
@Kanji-Tatsumi I hear ya bro!!
Watch us have to buy the Season Pass to bypass them...
Lmao
Modern gaming has become such a big joke. Can't wait for the inevitable crash - like in the 80's - and for Nintendo to once again pick up the slack and save everyone.
@Kanji-Tatsumi Because eeeverything was better back in your day, I'm assuming
I wouldn’t mind ads and product placement in suitable games. Billboards in burnout were fine. Adverts for champions league sponsors during the champions league matches in fifa would be fine. Wouldn’t mind real world products like Pepsi etc in the Yakuza games or similar. I actually think it would add to immersion rather than detract from it.
Having it in mythical worlds so it’s completely out of place though would be jarring.
What I would require when this happens would be a lower purchase price though. Yet I suspect EA would just pocket all the extra revenue, so they can bugger off.
@Colt22
Not that I disagree with your principle (I don’t spend on Microtransactions and rarely DLC), but aren’t all gamers “paying real money for digital goods” when we buy our games (even physically).
By the way, I recently tried FC 24 on plus having not played a FIFA since FIFA 14. How have they made every aspect of the game so much worse over the decade? It boggles the mind.
Nobody with functioning brain buys EA,Ubisoft or ActiBlizz games,u just go arrrrrrrg m8
I play video games so I can look at ADs in them since there is not enough ADs on TV, radio and digital media
EA can go to hell! They can for lots of things, but the point remains.
Few things are more grotesque than product placement in media. It also has the fun side effect of dating a thing forever once that brand is no more.
Still, if they're talking the billboards and logos in their sports games or racing games, it's not a bad thing, and could be a good thing. That's how the real even is, no reason for it not to be in the games that imitate life.
If they're talking about having an Old Spice ad pop up in Jedi Survivor I'll pass.
All those who have been gaming for decades: Imagine if someone told your 70's, 80's, 90's self that video games would one day just be another big corporate media with advertising like TV and radio. Would you have believed it?
@Ravix I don't know how your comment is so underrated. You won the thread lol!
@LifeGirl It's more proof they see console and mobile games as the same thing. This stuff flies in mobile so it'll fly here too. Here's a thought, if we get ads just like our mobile comrades, can we get our games for free like them, too?
@Edwirichuu When you're on a non-stop progression of things deteriorating worse and worse year by year, yes, things were better at any previous point on the calendar. 15 years from now when everyone knows $150 games with non-stop ads like good old radio, and paid mtx, that only involve pushing one button to "streamline and reach a mainstream market" you'll be reminding everyone how great gaming used to be in 2024, too.
@Edwirichuu oh look, proof of OP's point.
Are they going to do it as subtle on the PS2 or PS3 with Burnout where crashed in a Levis truck every single time.
@Edwirichuu My fondest memories are from the SNES and PS1 putting in a game starting without a massive day one patch and have fun. Super Mario World, Super Metriod, Donkey Kong Country and many more. Legend of Dragoon, Koudelka, Legend of Legaia 1/2, Parasite Eve 2, Final Fantasy 7/8/9, Breath of Fire 4, Twisted Metal World Tour, Resident Evil 1 /2/3, Syphon Filter 1/2/3,Metal Gear Solid on the PS1.
I have so many fantastic memories of games of the old times.
I had no issue with games increasing from £60 to £70 this generation, considering the added development costs, but this idea sound like a disgusting money grab just like micro transactions.
Tell you what EA (and others) - if you put as much effort into making really good new games (ie not games that require massive sports licences) instead of spending so much effort trying to fleece players... maybe, just maybe, you might make a game that more people will buy.
Stuff like this is why I play PS3 and X360 games mostly these days. Modern gaming is just a moneymaker for corps. Games like TLoU2, BG3 or CP2077 are the only games I’ve enjoyed since the onset of Covid. Yes, I’m old (42) but my point stands.
Ad blocker for PS5 needed...
Well...at some point, as consumers, we will have to put up with something in our games that makes the shareholders more money. I feel it's either that, or we will start paying more for our games.
What happens to game companies that pay a licence fee to, a car manufacturer for example, but now the game company wants to get paid to advertise the car?
If the car companies don't want to pay will we go back to games having vague-looking cars like Grand Theft Auto, and who will want to play Grand Tourismo or Horizon with vague-looking supercars?
@gollumb82
Games have always and will always be made to make a corporation money. There is nothing altruistic about gaming.
From pumping quarters into pinball machines and arcade games all the way up to gatcha games and paid loot boxes, gaming has been a FOR PROFIT venture.
@TheAmbienWalrus I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happen already, especially EA football game, ads boards surrounding footballs. I suspect that may be FIFA ban it.
@MikeOrator
Maybe, but it certainly was never as evident as it is now.
Gaming is far too corporate now. All greed no creativity
@gollumb82
I agree, I guess it does seem more flagrant than it did before. I think most of us are just growing more weary of every corp on the planet trying to suck us dry for as much money as possible. Landlords, banks, grocery, utilities, cars, cellphones, celebrities, you name it, whatever it is, are just trying to take more and more of our already diminished wages.
@gollumb82 @MikeOrator "Games have always and will always be made to make a corporation money. There is nothing altruistic about gaming."
Not always. Yeah, the old Segatendo days were all about feeding the corporation, but especially in the console into the PC golden age gaming was mostly small single owner businesses, with a few dozen people tops making games they wanted to make, finding a publisher to fund it, and selling to a likely market for some profit. It wasn't about public companies and shareholders. Even Nintedo was just a family owned company (or Family owned company....depending on how you read their history and whatever ink Yamauchi was wearing that we never saw) until the late GCN into Wii era. Same with Ubisoft where the Guillemots owned it. Gaming really was different because the businesses were really different. It wasn't until maybe 7th gen that it started becoming entirely corporate and consolidating and seeing profit min/max. That's what changed. Gaming went from a bunch of mom & pop family businesses working with corporate publishers to being a bunch of corporate media empires. Back before id Software was Microsoft and before it was Zenimax it was just id. Run by Adrian Carmack. And every new developer got a new Lambo. Before EGS and Fortnite, and Gears, Epic was just Epic, Tim Sweeney's Epic Megagames.
That's what broke.
Steam is the internet's darling for a reason. It's Gabe Newell's Valve. Just Gabe. Who's explicitly stated all of this is exactly why he never went public. What happens when Gabe retires or expires? IDK that Steam remains so good either.
@MikeOrator @NEStalgia
Well said. Both of you. I agree about Steam being the shining beacon these days, but when Gabe is gone who knows what happens. I mostly game on PC these days (well, ROG Ally to be exact) but I keep my fingers crossed for Sony and Nintendo because gaming is still my favourite leisure activity. I hate to see it go the way of Hollywood.
I mean... Game already do this to a degree. Nathan drake using a Sony phone, and Miles' is a swing ad for adidas and other sneaker makers.
@NEStalgia @gollumb82
I get @NEStalgia's point, I do. It seems that many things were more enjoyable before corporations took them over. At my age though, I don't want to be one of those old guys saying that "things were better in my time" crap. So I try to put it in some perspective for myself. Sure corporations are trying to generate more profit from their investments, and sometimes it feels that the best they can do is rip us off with add-ons and other crap. But I also have been enjoying games in the last 10 or 15 years more than ever.
Everyone is always so nostalgic for the past games and the games industry, I just don't feel that same. The old game is old.
In 20 years from now, when one corp owns it all and has left us with the Fortnite Gaming Launchpad, where we choose our genre and play a mind-numbing game in VR called either Adventure Game, Racing Game, Platform Game, or Sportsball Game. That is when everybody will look back and say remember when Microsoft tried to buy Activision...lol...I wish I knew we were in the good old times when we were still in the good old times.
OH ya...Advertising...Meh...whatever...could be worse...lol...
@MikeOrator
I hear you. Don’t get me wrong, I will never say that gaming was better 20 years ago. It’s much better today with all the hardware and software options we have. It’s a matter of mentality and you said it yourself- ever since corps took over it’s been mostly about generating profit, zero creative risks and milking the fanbase till they drop.
@MikeOrator It's less about "things were better in my time" and more about "last year was better than this year" repeated every year for decades
IDK how much of it is about nostalgia really. Play SMB3, SMW, then Mario Wonder and tell me which one is the best 2D platformer? I don't know which one it is, but I know it's not the last one. Non-sports EA games from the 90's, 00's or....oh wait they don't have any now.
And I'd kill to have Adventure Game, Racing Game, Platform Game, and Sportsball Game in VR from Sony because right now all we got is Call of the Mountain and the failed shooter and 2 dead studios.
I don't think it really matters if we're talking about today, the 1990s, the 1950s, or the 1890s......once corporations take over a thing the thing turns to poop. It's never really not been true. The problem of our modern age is not only have corporations taken over all things so that private business no longer exists for the most part but then the large corporations ate the small corporations so we have a weird dystopian Soviet-esque thing where instead of the Politiburo we have Wall Street which basically serves as the same organization, despite at one time being archenemies. All things have been dehumanized and the quest for ultimate efficiency requires the homgenization of all things. It's bad enough when it's breakfast cereal but when it takes over art and entertainment you're in for a bleak time. The Godfather Part 4: Brought to you by Pizza Hut.
@NEStalgia
That's what my joke about the Fortnite Gaming launchpad is about. A spoon-feeding of the drab and lifeless "Fortnite Adventure Game" where it's just one game and everyone plays it. If you want to play an adventure game you play the one provided by the Fortnite Gaming Authority which the Fortnite Gaming Board of Directors has decided that you play.
As Charlton Heston said, "Soylent green is made of damn dirty apes"
It's all in the execution.
I actually thought the real-life ads in Burnout Paradise were great, and kind of missed when they were pulled from the game and replaced with fake ads for fictitious products because the deal was over.
But a popup ad, like in mobile games? No thanks - no, that's too polite. F no. Uninstall, and ask for a refund if at all possible - just as I do on most mobile games (you can tell I don't play a lot of mobile games, then, right?).
@MikeOrator insert 2013 "call of duty, call of duty, call of duty, call of duty gif.
@Flaming_Kaiser So many of those are masterpieces that can be enjoyed to this date no doubt but a lot of it is also blind nostalgia because of how much padding went into them.
It'd be flat out wrong to say you couldn't have experiences like that today. Yes I agree there's a lot of BS in games now but the real good games are actually getting better
@NEStalgia You sound old. I agree with a lot of your points but respectfully I straight up disagree with a lot of it. Great good games are coming out nowadays without any silly business, just look at Baldur's Gate or God of War Ragnarok, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth most recently.
I get it, you're fond of the landscape back then, but it's unfair to call the whole industry cynical when there's also many devs who put out genuine care and love into making games reminiscent or even better than what you loved so much back then
@Edwirichuu Thanks overall
I'd argue you have it backwards though. Your examples of the good results are specifically games that went out of their way to bring back the past glory days, intentionally, projecting through rise colored nostalgia goggles. Not games representing modern at all. Larian is literally in open, verbal warfare against the modern industry.
Without realizing it, you're celebrating the old landscape too, merely through the handful of remaining reincarnations if it.
Soulsborne itself intentionally set out to recreate the "Nintendo hard" nes days. Sammy previewed stellar blade as a throwback to PS3. All the celebrated modern games are the ones that are distinctly purposefully retro.
@Edwirichuu What padding is there in FF7 its not FF7R and bringing up Rebirth as a fantastic game and start talking about padding makes me really feel like are you for real?
FF8 is a aquired taste i will accept that, FF9 that game is a classic. I put hundreds of hours in these alone.
A Breath of Fire 4 so much content, secret transformations multiple endings.
I could go down the list but which games have padding from these?
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